hollow ichigo

[secret_weapon]

I believe if ichigo was taken over by his hollow form he would have an easy time becoming an arrancar because.

1) He clearly has two different forms while he is a vizard
2) If the #9 espada could become an espasda because of his abilities why cant ichigo?
3) And even though ichigo's mask was almost completely gone by the end of his fight as long as still part of the mask remains he has his hollow powers, and this clearly was'nt just a two minuit fight
4) All before the fight you hear the girl at the temple say something like its almost as if two espada are fighting
5) At the begging of the anime and the manga while urahara was trying to get ichigo out of the pit with no hands, ichigo turned into turned into a hollow.  Dont you find it wierd that he always has bandages on his stomach, I believe its because he has that hollow hole in him that makes him part hollow.
6) And last but not least if ichigo was to be taken over by his hollow why would Izen refuse him?  If Ichigo can clearly pwn (so far) at least a #5 espada and almost all of the soul society why wouldnt he be chosen?

[joemac11]

if ichigo was to lose control completely and be turned full hollow then somehow get to huco mundo run free till found by the aizen aien uses the hoygoku or however thats spelled. and turns him into an arrancar we would be strong enough to be an espada. but there might be a chance that when he is turned into an arrancar he would regain his control and become good again so aizen would have to mess with his mind.... hey its possible   

[secret_weapon]

OK I can somewhat see what you are saying.  But Ichigo was only able to control somewhat of the hollow's power by "killing" it.  But Ichigo cant really kill the hollow because the hollow is part of his zanpacto.  And I think the only way to control the users body is by killing the other being trying to control the body.  So if the hollow killed Ichigo to get control over his body would'nt it be impossible for Ichigo to retain control over his body?

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OK I can somewhat see what you are saying.  But Ichigo was only able to control somewhat of the hollow's power by "killing" it.  But Ichigo cant really kill the hollow because the hollow is part of his zanpacto.  And I think the only way to control the users body is by killing the other being trying to control the body.  So if the hollow killed Ichigo to get control over his body would'nt it be impossible for Ichigo to retain control over his body?

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I believe if ichigo was taken over by his hollow form he would have an easy time becoming an arrancar because.

1) He clearly has two different forms while he is a vizard
2) If the #9 espada could become an espasda because of his abilities why cant ichigo?
3) And even though ichigo's mask was almost completely gone by the end of his fight as long as still part of the mask remains he has his hollow powers, and this clearly was'nt just a two minuit fight
4) All before the fight you hear the girl at the temple say something like its almost as if two espada are fighting
5) At the begging of the anime and the manga while urahara was trying to get ichigo out of the pit with no hands, ichigo turned into turned into a hollow.  Dont you find it wierd that he always has bandages on his stomach, I believe its because he has that hollow hole in him that makes him part hollow.
6) And last but not least if ichigo was to be taken over by his hollow why would Izen refuse him?  If Ichigo can clearly pwn (so far) at least a #5 espada and almost all of the soul society why wouldnt he be chosen?

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Why would Aizen refuse him? It's obvious isn't it? Ichigo doesn't want to join him... a dimwit can see that, also it's a stereotype for all anime and game characters.

Actually, he only has one form during Vizard... for now, the second form you refer to is a sort of form when he loses his own control, it's more of his Hollow form than a Vizard form since in Vizard, ONLY the mask appears.

True, as long as even a bit of the mask stays, he has hollow powers.

Those bandages wrapped around him? Actually that was the remains of a kidou spell that that big guy who works at Urahara's shop did, there's nothing relating to his hollow with that. Wait did you even watch what the big guy was doing?

No i don't think he can pwn a #5 Espada, i mean, he beat a #6 and finished the battle while he was on the brink of defeat, so i think he'll get pwned, not the other way around.

I don't think he'll be able to retain control over his body once he gets taken over. The difference between him and the hollow self is that the hollow self is a part of him, so if he kills the hollow part permanently, he'll never be able to fight ever again. While if the hollow self takes over, there is no hope of returning. It's a more downs and than ups situation

It is possible for him to become an Arrancar, all he needs to do is turn into a hollow, then once Aizen uses Hougyoku, or on some occasions, the hollow removes the mask themselves, he'll be an Arrancar. But his name will not be Ichigo, and nor will he be Ichigo, instead the hollow side of him will be the one that has control in Arrancar form.

[secret_weapon]

OK I cant see why he wouldnt want to join aizen beacuse he would gain an insane amount of power.  And I believe he clearly has two three forms because he is a shinigami, a vizard, and there is that crazy form when he and his hollow were fighting.  And if the hollow can transform his body into that beast there is no reason why when the hollow takes over that he wont be able to use that form.  And everytime Ichigo used the vizard mask he could use it longer so he could battle longer.  So everytime he uses the vizard mask he gets just a little bit stronger.  And I said in my second comment that ichigo couldnt really kill the hollow is it is part of his zanpacto.

[UrusaiBaka]

well he wouldnt join him cuz...well aizen is evil and the good guy never joins he bad guy...

and he cannot control the 3rd form since when he was transforming to that, he was battling against the inner hollow and against time. if his body was completely changed, he would have become a hollow and he wouldnt have control and prolly kill EVERYONE.

[L]

OK I cant see why he wouldnt want to join aizen beacuse he would gain an insane amount of power.  And I believe he clearly has two three forms because he is a shinigami, a vizard, and there is that crazy form when he and his hollow were fighting.  And if the hollow can transform his body into that beast there is no reason why when the hollow takes over that he wont be able to use that form.  And everytime Ichigo used the vizard mask he could use it longer so he could battle longer.  So everytime he uses the vizard mask he gets just a little bit stronger.  And I said in my second comment that ichigo couldnt really kill the hollow is it is part of his zanpacto.

(my friend just said you're a dickwad... and apparently i agree >_>)

All that you wrote after "insane amount of power" says pretty much nothing. I mean, seriously, why would the good guy join the bad guy? well yes they may gain an insane amount of power, and they need power to do whatever they aim for, wouldn't the bad guy usually be the one who tries to i dunno, do the opposite of what the good guy is doing? I mean what's the point of trying to destroy the bad guy if you're gonna join him? Maybe that was a bad example >_>

Anyways, the good guy wouldn't actually be planning ahead and joining the bad guy to trick him, now have you seen a main character do that? If you do find one, please tell me. No Death Note does NOT count

[secret_weapon]

You must be completely blind.  Once ichigo changes dies and loses control of his body he WOULDNT be good anymore.  Once he dies the creator of bleach would have one of the other characters take over as the main character.  The only character being good in ichigo is the living part of him not the hollow so having the EVIL part of him take over would not make him be a "GOOD GUY".

[UrbanWolf]

(my friend just said you're a dickwad... and apparently i agree >_>)

All that you wrote after "insane amount of power" says pretty much nothing. I mean, seriously, why would the good guy join the bad guy? well yes they may gain an insane amount of power, and they need power to do whatever they aim for, wouldn't the bad guy usually be the one who tries to i dunno, do the opposite of what the good guy is doing? I mean what's the point of trying to destroy the bad guy if you're gonna join him? Maybe that was a bad example >_>

Anyways, the good guy wouldn't actually be planning ahead and joining the bad guy to trick him, now have you seen a main character do that? If you do find one, please tell me. No Death Note does NOT count

Off the top of my head Bigwig from Watership Down.
I will think of more but I have to go to work

[zombie_kitten]

You must be completely blind.  Once ichigo changes dies and loses control of his body he WOULDNT be good anymore.  Once he dies the creator of bleach would have one of the other characters take over as the main character.  The only character being good in ichigo is the living part of him not the hollow so having the EVIL part of him take over would not make him be a "GOOD GUY".

Can you say redundant?

Ichigo is a Shinigami, that is now a Vizard. The Hollow release form is just part of being a Vizard. He gain access to Hollow powers. The Vizards have been manipulating the form for a long time. As such, they understand the form better than Ichigo.

Arguments of speculation go around and around...

Good points made, lets move on.

[joemac11]

why couldn't they make the show follow a "BAD GUY" i think that would be an interesting change for once. they could have a whole filler arc where ichigo was running wild as an outta control vizard and end the arc with him beating his inner hollow again and becoming good.

[bonky]

why couldn't they make the show follow a "BAD GUY" i think that would be an interesting change for once. they could have a whole filler arc where ichigo was running wild as an outta control vizard and end the arc with him beating his inner hollow again and becoming good.

Because the story line for that show would be short because
1:Being the main character means over coming the bad guy in witch
is his inner hollow and then going to the next challenge
2:If he beats his inner hollow the hollow within will not just go away
it will jest be waiting to regaining it power to come back witch will start the story over again

[L]

why couldn't they make the show follow a "BAD GUY" i think that would be an interesting change for once. they could have a whole filler arc where ichigo was running wild as an outta control vizard and end the arc with him beating his inner hollow again and becoming good.

Because the story line for that show would be short because
1:Being the main character means over coming the bad guy in witch
is his inner hollow and then going to the next challenge
2:If he beats his inner hollow the hollow within will not just go away
it will jest be waiting to regaining it power to come back witch will start the story over again

Actually there's already an anime with the Bad Guy as the main character, go see Death Note

You must be completely blind.  Once ichigo changes dies and loses control of his body he WOULDNT be good anymore.  Once he dies the creator of bleach would have one of the other characters take over as the main character.  The only character being good in ichigo is the living part of him not the hollow so having the EVIL part of him take over would not make him be a "GOOD GUY".

You're not really putting up a solid argument, you're saying "Once he does", which is basically saying, "If he does". Which everyone is sure, he won't. Also... how many animes have you seen had the main focus character (in this case, Ichigo), have his spotlight taken over, and being killed off? Please, that is just ridiculous, but if you do have a show or anime that has had the main focus character killed off, and taken over by another of the characters, please show us, otherwise, get a new brain.

EDIT: Oh yea and guys, i'd rather you leave him to me, plainly this guy needs a lecture

[secret_weapon]

My "once he does" is just like your "it cant happen".  Also just because there is not an anime yet that doesn't have the main character as a bad guy except for death note DOSENT mean it will never happen.  So you can sit there and criticize me for voicing my OPINION on the matter.  But you seem like the person who if anyone doesn't agree with you you get angry just because I don't agree with you.  I would also like to let you know all of the posts on this website are for people to post their personal opinion.  Plus you are criticizing me for something that hasn't happend already you apparently should get a new brain.  And your basically saying the main character can never die because that would just be ridiculous.  What a load of crap.  If everything was the same the world would be boring, sometimes change is needed to keep things interesting.

[bonky]

Well maybe the true fans don't wont a complete change just a better or newer turning point in the story