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« on: March 17, 2011, 03:49:25 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2011, 03:30:03 PM »

I have to admit, ever since the absurdity of Ichigo losing his powers to use a technique he didn't need to use, I've been exceedingly disappointed with the progression.  It's full of plot-holes and unfinished business.  First, what the heck happened to the characters whose lives were spared in Heuco Mundo?  Gantenbien Mosqueda, Grimjow, etc.  Except for Yammy, they all got swept uder the rug and forgotten.  Secondly, where did the Vizard suddenly disappear to?  And why hasn't Ichigo thought to ask them anything?  Remember, he and all the students in his class could see them, so it's not as if he needs spirit power to find them.  Thirdly, when the hell is he going to think about asking his father where the hell he came from and why he was on earth i he was a Shinigami, or what happend to his powers, how he met his mother... or any number of questions anyone with a functioning BRAINSTEM would have asked by now!  Fourth and finally, no one on any side ever mentioned Fullbring users before now, or that there were any other powers beside Hollow, Shinigami, and Quincy.  Fullbring seems just thrown in out of nowhere to keep the manga going.  I could expect this for an anime filler arc (like the Bount), but as main story?  It smells of lazy writing.  Anyway, I never understood why Ichigo had to use this final Getsuga instead of his full Hollow form, which was so friggin powerful he pwnd Ulquiorra without breaking a sweat, given what Aizen could do, Ichigo's full form was still far more powerful, and he wouldn't have lost his powers!

And now Naruto is getting stupid too with this absurd war and the ultimate dead-dude revival technique with no adverse effects for the user.  How plot contrived can you get?

Arg.  Ah well, at least some of the new manga series are interesting.  Beelzebub, Yumeki Merry, FireFireFire, Arago, and several others.  And a could other longer-running ones I've found recently, such as Mahou Sensei Negima (which started out rather ecchi, but now is just cool battling and doom and stuff).  :3
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 05:15:47 PM »

I like your post. It's shows a lot of thinking about what's actually going on and I like to see that around here. But I do have a retort for almost all of the things that you had mentioned.

First, all the guys that were spared were mentioned to be killed if I remember correctly. For example Grimmjow was found by, I think it was Uliquiorra and killed for being too weak and not worthy (because for an espada they consider losing to mean death) and the other guy, I just checked about him because I didn't remember him but I'm pretty sure that Nnoitora killed him when he found him fighting Chad and he wanted to interject. Pretty much just because he could (you know he's like that). He beat them both pretty bad.

For the Vizards, I don't have a good answer for that one besides they're recovering from the war because they got beat up pretty bad so they're just hiding out. Ichigo can't feel energy anymore to find them in the first place now.

For the questions part, there was a part a couple chapters ago when Ichigo explains that he hasn't asked yet because he's trying to find a good time to do it. Ginjou asked him why he wouldn't want to know more about it and Ichigo brushes it off and says that he'll ask when he's ready to ask.

It does seem like the fullbring people are pretty underground and can fly under the radar because no one was able to sense their powers ever. Like when Chad was sensing Orihime's reiatsu when she was being attacked, he only mentioned how her reiatsu was changing and not how he felt other reiatsu in her vicinity.

Also, I think you seem to underestimate how strong Aizen really was when he was fighting Ichigo. I mean, Ichigo was getting owned by Gin, and Gin probably could kill Uliquiorra because he honestly put up a decent fight against Aizen except Aizen had the Hyogyoku and that basically put him in the undefeatable zone.

Oh and I think Naruto was always bad Wink

Hope that helps/makes you think? Feel free to retort Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 10:06:20 PM »

Well, Grimjow might be dead, it was rather up in the air as to whether Nnoitora's final blow killed him.  But Gantenbien was certainly alive, as Captain Unohana was healing both Chad and him, if you recall. 

And then there are Nel, Peche, and Dondochaka.  They were DEFINITELY alive!  It was as if they were completely forgotten after Aizen entered the physical world.

As for Fullbring, it's possible that they have some mechanism to completely hide their powers.  Urahara did invent a faux body that could mask spirit power, so it is within the realm of possibility.  But, Fullbring users, as stated, arise when a family member is killed by a Hollow in view of the survivor.  In the history of the world, that had to have happened hundreds if not thousands of times by now.  Surely some of them would not know to mask their powers and been found out long ago. 

However, this can be explained by my hypothesis months ago that Fullbring was the power stolen by both Aizen and Urahara to create their partial Hogyoku.  This then gives the Fullbrings users a very good reason to hide themselves and to not trust Urahara or his friend, Kurosaki Ishin (who for all we know was part of everything from the get go).

Still, there are clearly many loose ends to tie up, and I hope the characters noted, especially The Desert Trio and Visored, will not simply be forgotten after playing such integral plot roles.

PS:  I wish we'd seen Ulquiorra's backstory!  His was one of the ones I wanted to see most! 
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 12:20:45 AM »

Ahhh I get your point for that first part. I'm pretty sure that Gantenbien isn't a big threat because they all got so much stronger?

Those three are a good point as well. I'm guessing that they're still in Hueco Mundo because that's where they were in the first place and maybe they're just chillin haha

For the Fullbring people that don't have any knowledge of it, I don't think that it's probable that there are THAT many because you could have a family member be killed by hollow, but to be able to witness it you need to have a significant reiatsu because otherwise they wouldn't be able to see the hollow which is what I think they mean.

You do have a point, there are many things that they just left alone. BUT the thing is that they pretty much followed Ichigo and they skipped everything that he pretty much wasn't conscious for was left out because it skipped from him passing out, til he wakes up and everyone's pretty much gone.

That would be pretty interesting, finding out what he was like would be cool but I feel like because he's dead they won't Sad
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