Chapter 331

[zombie_kitten]

dude is completely wrong and offered no proof he was correct.

Kisuke was exiled along with the Vizards nimb nuts. Kisuke is Hat Clogs in the green for u noobs.

Give it a rest, they dislike SS for their actions but they want to kill Aizen.

[noch]

I suppose you think your silly amount of posts on an anime board translates into greater education. I cant express how wrong you are.

I also doubt you're more educated than me, since I am presenting my masters thesis in December.

With this said, I have been talking to L this whole time, not zombie or Urban, since he had to demean himself by calling me thick headed. But anyways, heres my rebuttal.

Now to the passage in question.

Since we are in agreement with how they feel about Kiskuke, I will move on to Aizen.

It was Aizen who gave them their powers through his experiments. And however reckless Aizen's experiments were, they still gave Hit and co hollow powers. Aizen gave them the ability, and Kiskuke saved them from being 'dealt with as hollows' nursed them to health.

On the panel that they mention Aizen they were not gripping their weapons, they grab their swords in the next panel on the way out (presumably to the battle)

And SS was going to kill them merely for being made into hollows without their consent.

Now you tell me who YOU would be pissed off at, if you were in their shoes?  The guy who gave you special powers, or the group of people who sentenced you to death? My guess would be the latter.





And furthermore L, I do see from another perspective why the vizards could be mad at Aizen for making them into hollows. But I have no idea why you make it an effort to be a condescending ass saying why you are right, like another opinion or an alternative viewpoint from yours HAS to be wrong and should be dealt with immense ridicule. How can you foster a free thinking community and encourage dialogue with the members if you slam everything you dont agree with as being false, like you're the one writing Bleach?

[L]

Now now, did I say anything about post size? Moreover, if this is all you can muster, then you should re-do Year 9 and up. And all your master thesis proves, is how long you've been educated for, what's so good about being educated for a long time, if you can't understand something of a year 10 level? It's probably even lower.

And, once again you prove yourself under my level, I said, "you'd have to be pretty thick", I didn't call you a thick head even once, I merely said, in a simpler, perhaps I admit, rougher way, "You misinterpreted this, you'd have to be dumb that that's true".

So anyways, onwards to the actual topic.

Now, I ask you one simple question. Did they WANT these powers? They clearly didn't, did they? Of course, Aizen was only using them as guinea pigs, he didn't want to do them a favor or anything, if anything he likely assumes them as dead, dependent on Soul Society's conviction as the basis for this assumption.

Now, onto SS, they convicted them, not because Shinji and co gained hollow powers without consent, it was because they didn't allow it. And who gave them those powers, as a means of experimenting? Aizen did, and did they want it? No they didn't, they were content with living their lives as Shinigami until the day they died. But Aizen ruined that for them, now thanks to Urahara, they can continue to live, in exile, but they endure it, so that they may slay Aizen.

So, it's not, "the guy who gave you special powers", it's, "the guy who ruined your life".

Also, it's not, "the group of people who sentenced you to death", it's "the group of people who sentenced you to death, because that guy who ruined your life set you up to it".

You are clearly misinterpreting... Heavily.


It's not that I'm as you say, "making an ass of myself", to prove I'm right. It's to prove you wrong. In other words, our roles are actually reversed, you're the one who is trying to prove yourself right, I'm proving you wrong.

Yours was not another viewpoint, it was a misinterpretation, there is a clear difference between the two. And dealing with other views and theories or whatever, with immense ridicule? Slamming things I don't agree with as false? Hmmm... Simple question, are you the one who is writing Bleach then? And comes with the simple answer, no, which is the same as mine, which is, no.

Now did I say I was the one writing Bleach? Did I say I knew everything? I may show it, but that is how I am. You're misinterpreting, not presenting a new theory or viewpoint.

[noch]

And your reply in itself exemplifies my point.

Your claim to my misinterpretation of the reading CANNOT be backed by YOUR interpretation of the reading!

Ok, so here is a recap

The literature, it reads, 'We really are indebted to Kisuke and . . . Aizen'

What I took from this is that the vizards have no qualms with Kisuke or Aizen, but with SS, and I stated why.

What you took from this is that the vizards have no qualms with Kisuke, but have problems with Aizen, not SS, and you stated why.

Now show me, without you interpreting the manga, where it says verbatim that "The Vizards have a grudge against Aizen".


Passage not found.


Ok, so then what? We pull from the readings and formulate our own opinions.

You say they hate Aizen because they ruined their lives, had them cast out of SS, etc etc. Ok, i'll give you that, you have a valid point.

I conjecture that the Vizards are not exactly pleased with Aizen for being used, but are grateful for the powers but have issues with being sentenced to death. Thats the basis of my point.

You retort, saying they never asked for these powers, which is true, but they never say they are not happy WITH these powers.

Yes, Aizen was not DIRECTLY doing any favors, but I am yet to see/read where they hate their powers.


To stack up roles, I would rank "Guy who ruined your life" under "People who sentenced you to death".

And how about a more accurate label, lets call SS "The people who sentenced you to death whimsically and without a proper trial"




But I digress. My point is that you cannot say that I am misinterpreting the passage without backup coming verbatim from the source. And to show my true openness to this matter, if you can show me in the manga/anime why they would not have a grudge against SS I will gladly withdraw my statement and admit to misinterpretation.

[L]

Well, seeing as this is going nowhere, and instead of standing here uselessly, arguing with you, let's open a poll, and let the forum decide

Admit it, our egos won't let us accept anything we think is wrong

[UrusaiBaka]

I think that that could have been discussed without any insults and just a good old debate...